Our conversation ranged sort of all over the place, but we started with the definitions of
"tautological" and "teleological." *Ahem* Per Wikipedia:
In rhetoric, a tautology (from Greek ταὐτός, "the same" and λόγος, "word/idea") is a logical argument constructed in such a way, generally by repeating the same concept or assertion using different phrasing or terminology, that the proposition as stated is logically irrefutable, while obscuring the lack of evidence or valid reasoning supporting the stated conclusion.
TL;DR: tautological pertains to reasoning that we don't want to use.
Teleological is as follows:
teleology
[tel-ee-ol-uh-jee, tee-lee-]
Word Origin
noun, Philosophy.
1.
the doctrine that final causes exist.
2.
the study of the evidences of design or purpose in nature.
3.
such design or purpose.
4.
the belief that purpose and design are a part of or are apparent innature.
5.
(in vitalist philosophy) the doctrine that phenomena are guided not only by mechanical forces but that they also move toward certain goals of self-realization.
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I think it is safe to say that these are related. Teleology will use tautology to obscure the fact that "design" and "purpose" are often illusions brought on by the human resistance to the idea that the universe is (at very least often) an indifferent and random place.
We, then, went on to talk about potential future topics, future activities, the ins and outs, as it were, of those future activities.
There will be more posts on this page and on our content page in the coming days. I hope that everyone has a fantastic week and joins us next time for our Spectacular Secular Sunday! In the meantime, here are some notes about our discussion:
Also, I think, next time we're planning on having a topic - so stay tuned!
-Sean